Originally posted 2004-11-17.
summary of panel discussion from previous forum at Internet Librarian International 2004 in London
London stream
http://www.streamingmedia.com/internetlibrarian/inetlib1_300.asx
/ now we start the overview from the panel and discussion
Gary Price - ResourceShelf - some guy we’re all supposed to have heard of
some guy introducing...
UPDATED 2004-11-24: Stevan Harnad
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/
http://www.unites.uqam.ca/cnc/en/profs/harnad.htm
- the subversive proposal - a decade ago
American Scientist Open Access Forum
Open Access is not freedom of information, access to all info, everywhere.
applies to a very specific target literature
literature: 24,000 peer-reviewed journals across all fields
2.5 million articles per year
authors don’t receive any payment for these articles
Open Access movement wants: free, full text online
want to isolate this set of articles, use OAI, so they can be searched separately from regular Google consumer search
one
idea: the Golden Road - stop charging the subscriber institutions -
convert to recovering costs from author institution - that is the WRONG
WAY
other idea: the Green Road - in the hands of the author, author’s institution, author’s funder
author takes supplementary copy - self-archiving - put into OAI-compliant institutional website
librarians are the heroes of the first phase of the open access movement
they were driven by cost issues
the other group: the heroic authors - who have been posting their articles
other issue: copyright and intellectual property
unrefereed preprint - no issue
but Open Access is post-peer-review -
92% publishers are green
70% of publishers say you can self-archive final version anyway
for publishers who say post-print is ownership:
append to pre-print the corrections
authors are losing research impact by not self-archiving
roadblocks
- who is going to pay
- preservation
- what about copyright
what is the magic:
- the authors want research impact, and to contribute to world knowledge
- but still need publish or perish to push them
- use research impact to motivate authors to self-archive
- also mandate self-publish as part of pub-perish. research funders could do this. also employer.
talks about many ways to measure research impact in a more sophisticated way
UK had select committee report - would have mandated open access - didn’t fly?
there was a good green recommendation, but they unfortunately mixed in a bunch of gold stuff
USA situation - NIH put thing up for comment - publishers opposed ?
NIH version is just green
other proposal in US House - passed - waiting in Senate ?
Wellcome Trust has already gone green
issue: location of self-archiving - PubMed Central - issue is that you’re putting into central med/health archive
should be changed: to either send to PubMed OR just send URL - so that it can expand beyond PubMed
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and now, the panel
SLA will be doing virtual seminar on OA
Cat - OAIster
OAIster harvests more than just Open Access
Andy Boyer - OCLC - WorldCat
Open WorldCat - take abbreviated WorldCat records and expose it through public web search - available through Google and Yahoo
how can we get more information more available to the users who want it
includes making DSpace records available
currently 2 million records available now
all 57 million records will be made available later this month
Sumir - Yahoo Search
surfacing content
150 million active registered users on Yahoo
Yahoo - Content Acquisition Program
indexing of deep web content
mysearch.yahoo.com
Yahoo OCLC Library Toolbar
Open Access important for
- comprehensiveness
- freshness
OA moves content outside publisher pay-content “firewalls”
OA puts the info on the web faster than publication cycles
Partnered with Public Library of Science. Gold Road.
Partnered with OAIster. Green Road.
other Andy - Public Library of Science (PLOS)
talk about “hopeless, wrong Gold Road”
PLOS
- Stanford Biologists - looking at 6000 genes - best way would be to
gather all papers on these topics to analyze all info in one place -
they couldn’t get the content they wanted
this made them angry
mission: make the scientific and medical literature a free public resource
two criteria for OA according to PLOS
1. governed by copyright license to freely access, use, transmit
2. article must be deposited immediately in at least one public archive
how can you do this?
publishers need to act as service providers
treat costs of publication as part of research costs
comes to cost of about 1% of grant in biomedical case
Gary Price - ResourceShelf - DocuTracker
findability
Yahoo is good
public web vs invisible web
general search vs specialized search
for specific title searching, results are good
WorldCat is coming up higher in Yahoo than in Google
but in subject searching, results rank much lower
Open Source toolbar for FireFox - NeedleSearch
OPAC people need to get into business of making custom toolbars
e.g. “my local library’s search toolbar”
are libraries prepared for more interlibrary loan as Open WorldCat becomes popular
people use short queries with basic terms
there are also SEO people trying to hack the results
also most people only look at first set of results
people don’t use advanced searches
OAIster only searches metadata
Steven says boolean full-text search will beat anything.
PLOS - mirror sites etc.
PLOS - would like to integrate PubMed and OAIster
OAIster doesn’t do OpenURL yet
OAIster can do it, with a hack
Q as a librarian, would like to use a single interface to locate info, and go to a single place to locate OA info
Z39.50 SRW? coming for OAIster
Steven - don’t mix general search with open access
problem with OA is not SEARCH it is lack of content
Q Law Librarian AALL
Are the barriers to increasing open access the same for every discipline, or different between law and science.
Q big universities have resources to create repositories
Steven (with VOICE OF GOD) says it is cheap: $1000 server, two days of sys admin.
guy from New England College of Optometry []
guy has been looking at tech aspects - there are challenges -
primary issues are workflow etc. - someone has to put it in the repository
Steven says everything is trivial.
SUNY Courtland? woman
her authors say why put it in OA if the collegues etc. all use pay services
it has to be made very easy to find
the research info guy
ResearchIndex / CiteSeer
new one smealsearch.psu.edu - for business material
everyone is going all DSpace
CalPoly guy
Q how does this impact the social aspect of science
Scientists want to be associated with major journal(s).
Also, what about major societies e.g. IEEE.
Q funding models
PLOS - author pay - part of research cost
Steven - Gold model is premature
however cost per article $500 - $1500 - $2000 - $3000 (Springer Open Choice)
cost for open access green is much cheaper, Steven says under $10
Q fulltext vs metadata
general search engines just use full text
Google only indexes as far as 100KB
Yahoo uses trusted metadata from CAP program.
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